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	<title>Comments on: Linked data at the New York Times: Exciting, but buggy</title>
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		<title>By: When Linked Data Rules Fail &#187; AI3:::Adaptive Information</title>
		<link>http://dowhatimean.net/2009/10/linked-data-at-the-new-york-times-exciting-but-buggy#comment-296014</link>
		<dc:creator>When Linked Data Rules Fail &#187; AI3:::Adaptive Information</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] various grounds from  licensing to  data characterization and to creating linked data for its own sake, some prominent commentators have weighed in on what [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: When Linked Data Rules Fail at Frederick Giasson&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://dowhatimean.net/2009/10/linked-data-at-the-new-york-times-exciting-but-buggy#comment-296013</link>
		<dc:creator>When Linked Data Rules Fail at Frederick Giasson&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] various grounds from  licensing to data characterization and to creating linked data for its own sake, some prominent commentators have weighed in on what [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Bill Roberts</title>
		<link>http://dowhatimean.net/2009/10/linked-data-at-the-new-york-times-exciting-but-buggy#comment-294818</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Does the President of the United States know that he is married to a Concept?! &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the article.  As you say, there seem to be a few teething troubles, but this should become a fantastic data resource once these are fixed and kudos to the NYT for making its data available in this way.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is better tool support the way forward for this?  Certainly more education should help, but there will always be pitfalls in representing information accurately.  Many of the bugs you have pointed out should be identifiable automatically.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, I'm looking forward to being able to make use of the NYT data.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Cheers, Bill&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the President of the United States know that he is married to a Concept?! </p>

<p>Thanks for the article.  As you say, there seem to be a few teething troubles, but this should become a fantastic data resource once these are fixed and kudos to the NYT for making its data available in this way.</p>

<p>Is better tool support the way forward for this?  Certainly more education should help, but there will always be pitfalls in representing information accurately.  Many of the bugs you have pointed out should be identifiable automatically.</p>

<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m looking forward to being able to make use of the NYT data.</p>

<p>Cheers, Bill</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Richard Cyganiak</title>
		<link>http://dowhatimean.net/2009/10/linked-data-at-the-new-york-times-exciting-but-buggy#comment-294726</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Cyganiak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the pointers Tom. I couldn't attend the tutorial, but would have loved to. It seems you've provided the most comprehensive view of the licensing issue so far.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(The link got mangled, I fixed it.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the pointers Tom. I couldn&#8217;t attend the tutorial, but would have loved to. It seems you&#8217;ve provided the most comprehensive view of the licensing issue so far.</p>

<p>(The link got mangled, I fixed it.)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Linked Open Data &#124; Healthcare Semantic Architectures</title>
		<link>http://dowhatimean.net/2009/10/linked-data-at-the-new-york-times-exciting-but-buggy#comment-294724</link>
		<dc:creator>Linked Open Data &#124; Healthcare Semantic Architectures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tom Heath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Richard,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A typically thorough treatment of the subject :) One thing you didn't mention are links to resources that can provide some background on the licensing topic. As you know, Leigh Dodds (Talis), Jordan Hatcher (Open Data Commons), Kaitlin Thaney (Science Commons) and I ran a tutorial at ISWC2009 that addressed many of these issues. The slides from the tutorial should provide a useful introduction to people new to the subject:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://iswc2009.semanticweb.org/wiki/index.php/ISWC_2009_Tutorials/Legal_and_Social_Frameworks_for_Sharing_Data_on_the_Web" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://iswc2009.semanticweb.org/wiki/index.php/ISWC_2009_Tutorials/Legal_and_Social_Frameworks_for_Sharing_Data_on_the_Web&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The following paper from LDOW2008 also provides a more narrative context:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2008/papers/08-miller-styles-open-data-commons.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2008/papers/08-miller-styles-open-data-commons.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is highly likely that we will work in the coming months to provide a more polished and comprehensive guide to licensing and waivers for Linked Data publishing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Cheers, Tom.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richard,</p>

<p>A typically thorough treatment of the subject :) One thing you didn&#8217;t mention are links to resources that can provide some background on the licensing topic. As you know, Leigh Dodds (Talis), Jordan Hatcher (Open Data Commons), Kaitlin Thaney (Science Commons) and I ran a tutorial at ISWC2009 that addressed many of these issues. The slides from the tutorial should provide a useful introduction to people new to the subject:</p>

<p><a href="http://iswc2009.semanticweb.org/wiki/index.php/ISWC_2009_Tutorials/Legal_and_Social_Frameworks_for_Sharing_Data_on_the_Web" rel="nofollow">http://iswc2009.semanticweb.org/wiki/index.php/ISWC_2009_Tutorials/Legal_and_Social_Frameworks_for_Sharing_Data_on_the_Web</a></p>

<p>The following paper from LDOW2008 also provides a more narrative context:</p>

<p><a href="http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2008/papers/08-miller-styles-open-data-commons.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2008/papers/08-miller-styles-open-data-commons.pdf</a></p>

<p>It is highly likely that we will work in the coming months to provide a more polished and comprehensive guide to licensing and waivers for Linked Data publishing.</p>

<p>Cheers, Tom.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Richard Cyganiak</title>
		<link>http://dowhatimean.net/2009/10/linked-data-at-the-new-york-times-exciting-but-buggy#comment-294614</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Cyganiak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Michael, I think you meant cc:attributionURL when you said cc:attributionName? The range of this property is defined as rdfs:Resource in the schema definition, so it also has to be a URI. And by the way, you should have checked that before commenting here—do your homework before nitpicking ;-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(IMO, putting a URI into a literal in RDF is always a horrible idea, because it will confuse people to no end, and breeds interoperability nightmares.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, I think you meant cc:attributionURL when you said cc:attributionName? The range of this property is defined as rdfs:Resource in the schema definition, so it also has to be a URI. And by the way, you should have checked that before commenting here—do your homework before nitpicking ;-)</p>

<p>(IMO, putting a URI into a literal in RDF is always a horrible idea, because it will confuse people to no end, and breeds interoperability nightmares.)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Michael Schneider</title>
		<link>http://dowhatimean.net/2009/10/linked-data-at-the-new-york-times-exciting-but-buggy#comment-294613</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That's a good article! &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One point: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree that the values of the properties nyt:topicPage and cc:licence should be URIs instead of literals. But, apart from the convenience to receive clickable links by this change, my main reason is that using URIs instead of literals here makes it clearer that not the URIs but the resources denoted by these URIs are the things the triples talk about, namely the actual topic page and the licence file, respectively. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, I would say that the value of the cc:attributeName property (or cc:Attribute) should really be a literal rather than a URI, since in this case it is the URI itself the property refers to, AFAIU. (But I think that a clever data browser will still be able to recognize such a URI literal as a URI and can then render it in a clickable way as well.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Cheers,
Michael&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good article! </p>

<p>One point: </p>

<p>I agree that the values of the properties nyt:topicPage and cc:licence should be URIs instead of literals. But, apart from the convenience to receive clickable links by this change, my main reason is that using URIs instead of literals here makes it clearer that not the URIs but the resources denoted by these URIs are the things the triples talk about, namely the actual topic page and the licence file, respectively. </p>

<p>On the other hand, I would say that the value of the cc:attributeName property (or cc:Attribute) should really be a literal rather than a URI, since in this case it is the URI itself the property refers to, AFAIU. (But I think that a clever data browser will still be able to recognize such a URI literal as a URI and can then render it in a clickable way as well.)</p>

<p>Cheers,
Michael</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Evan Sandhaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Sandhaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I very much appreciate all this feeback.  We're already planning an update of the data to address the rights and other concerns raised by you and other members of the community.  I hope to have this update pushed out by sometime next week.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And thank you for your patience.  It's only been 4 months, since we announced that we committed to this path and we're still learning all the particulars.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All the best,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Evan Sandhaus&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Semantic Technologist
New York Times R+D&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much appreciate all this feeback.  We&#8217;re already planning an update of the data to address the rights and other concerns raised by you and other members of the community.  I hope to have this update pushed out by sometime next week.  </p>

<p>And thank you for your patience.  It&#8217;s only been 4 months, since we announced that we committed to this path and we&#8217;re still learning all the particulars.  </p>

<p>All the best,</p>

<p>Evan Sandhaus</p>

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New York Times R+D</p>]]></content:encoded>
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